Reality Intrudes into our Fantasy

> 9/11 Truth Manifesto
>
> By Joel S. Hirschhorn
>
> 12/20/07 "ICH" -- -- For evidence that America¹s
> political system is a criminal conspiracy, open
> your mind to piles of new analysis that prove beyond
> doubt that the official 9/11 story is a lie. Years
> of a bipartisan cover-up of 9/11 lies make it much
> more than one horrendous past event.
> It endures in infamy as a symptom of a corrupt and
> dishonest government.

As long as we mis-identify a 'Republic' as a democracy,

and as long as we think a political government is anything more than than the tyranny of the minority,

and as long as we think all we have to do is apply ourselves 15 minutes every four years to the task of self-government,

we deserve what we get.

Illusion is illusion... it is not what it seems to be. People must realize that self-government is as important as raising their children, or staying alive on the freeway, or keeping their relationships going, or any other aspect of survival.

We live in a world where gun backed Scrooges run the show, works everyone harder and harder to benefit them, defines the very thoughts which we accept from our culture... and in the fog of illusion, we also accept that nothing else is better, that there can be no better way to do things, and that the little bit of fluff people get from their intense efforts is the only thing keeping them from starving and homelessness.

As one who has seen the perspectives grown from the ends of the game, from riches to homelessness, from middle class to The Farm, there is a better way but people are so heavily brainwashed they cannot conceptually grasp it without great effort, and it cannot exist until enough people do grasp it.

But unless it has already existed, has been shown to work already, and is fully formed in every aspect, nobody will put the effort out to even try to learn it.

Geodesic direct democracy. There is no other answer!

Like it or lump it. Do it or accept the illusion that any of us has anything to do with which man backed by other organized men with guns runs the matrix of our lives and makes the rules which we think in.

After all, although it has never worked, caused massive human suffering throughout human history, and killed millions, (AND is destroying our world's ecology,) political government is what we know, and therefore all we will try to know.

Political government is rule by gangster, nothing else, regardless how fancy the words used to describe it.

Merry Christmas

From Raging Brains & Burning Hearts

From http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/

This page at http://www.earthrainbownetwork.com/RagingBrains.htm

Some of the Principles of Large Scale Social Slavery.

Partial List of Rules for keeping a population enslaved:

Prime Strategy: To Conquer, Divide, To Keep Conquered, Keep Divided
(Call it 'government', 'corporations', 'special interests', 'religions',
'nations', 'ethnic groups', 'races', 'economics', and many more) If
applied with enough distracting interrelated synergistic control
systems, the enslaved population can be any size whatsoever. An
effective slave system will be taken for granted by the slaves, and
their slavery not even noticed.

(Desired Result of Prime Strategy) To cause slaves to conclude
everything is unchangeable and anything they hear is unbelievable...
Make slaves fear each other and fear cooperating in any way outside the
control systems... Make sure the slaves intrinsically blame each other
cynically for everything that happens. (Call it 'human nature' and make
sure all believe it of others)

Keep the slave population totally occupied attaining the right to live.
Make them base their self-worth on slaving, so they will hate anyone who
does not slave away their lives. Have the very definition of a good life
be slaving, and have any failure to prosper from slaving always be
considered the fault of the slave, not the system.

Also, no slave is as enthusiastically enslaved or works harder, even at
makework, than a slave who is convinced he or she is free. (Call it
'work' or 'employment' and for the smart ones, call it 'professions' and
let them have attitudes and specialties, so they will believe
nothing but approved information.)

Concentrate the slave's minds on a system of 'permission' symbols which
give access to life support and goods to make their lives fractionally
easier. Allow more freedom for more symbols, so slaves will seek it ever
harder and give up all human decency to attain it. Have the acquisition
of the symbols be the very definition of 'practical' so the system will
define all activity and prevent all actions not included in the system.

Let slaves who cannot acquire the symbols die in horrible conditions of
starvation, lack of sanitary conditions, diseases, lack of shelter, and
make sure they are considered unworthy of life by most slaves.
Sacrificing a few slaves to horrible torturous deaths has long proven to
scare the rest into non-thinking obedience to the system. (Call it
'money' and make them think what they get using it is 'theirs'.) Force
all slaves to use it whenever they cooperate in any way, as long as they
give back some of the symbols each time, to support the illusion that
the system is supported by the slaves. (Call it 'taxes') Be sure to make
them believe that the symbols are theirs by virtue of their work.
Control the worth of the symbols and the availability so as to force the
slaves into doing what you want without having to use direct force.
(Call it 'interest rates', 'government contracts', and 'pay') Keep the
symbols scarce, so they have to continuously work harder and harder to
get tiny quantities of technologically easily made goods, and they will
never notice that what they get is the tiniest of leftovers from what is
taken from them... (Call it all 'economics')

Bombard the slaves, and especially their children, with enticements to
keep them motivated to consume more, and include social messages within
each enticement, so they will think they are less than others in wealth.
(Call it 'advertising') Concentrate all acts of violence and aberrant
behavior as if they occur nearby, so as to keep them both fearful and
cynical, convinced that 'human nature' is evil and dysfunctional
everywhere, so they will never work together outside control systems.
(Call it 'news media')

Keep continuous mass shows, some silly, some sillier, and some extreme
competitions to provide relief from the pressure of attaining the right
to live, producing an effect worse than drugs. (Call them 'sitcoms' and
'sports')

For every word of truth that escapes or is generated by malcontent
slaves, make sure a million slightly different versions are circulated,
some pro, some con. For convincing the slaves that a lie is true, place
the same story out to all slaves over and over again. This will also
make sure that anything that happens but is not in an 'official' story
is disregarded as a non-event. (Call it 'the media')

Divide the world up into turfs, with the enslaved populations
identifying with their turf symbols, and keep an organized subculture of
brainwashed fanatics for each turf, and fight them with each other as a
lesson to all the slaves, to keep them in fear. (Call the symbols
'flags' and the subculture the 'military') Use the subculture against
the turf population if control starts to slip.

Create a document each turf population will worship even if it is just
words on paper. (Call it a 'constitution') Let them believe the document
defines the rules of the 'turf', when actually it defines only their
social beliefs. Cause ideological conflict between those who hold
different interpretations of the document, following the Prime Strategy.

Provide an illusion of control, through a fake selection of rulers.
(Call them 'elections' and 'candidates') Make sure a few 'Turfs' have
the appearance of old style slavery, using mass murder and rule by whim
by figurehead leaders, to make the slaves in turfs with fake selection
of rulers appreciate the illusion of control.

Tell the Slaves that the rules make them free and that they choose them.
(Call them 'laws' and violently suppress anyone who breaks them. It's a
good way to keep those who see through this process down and keep order
for better control.) In the minds of the slaves, equate the
revolutionary, the violent criminal, the non-violent criminal, and the
poorest of the population, so the majority of the slaves will consider
them all the same threat.

Create a huge bureaucracy that proclaims to speak for God, and the
slaves will follow orders and work hard even if they kill themselves in
the process. (Call it 'religion'.)

Make those slaves who reject the various God bureaucracies believe that
what they think generate Universe, that their egos are the center of
Universe, for then the slaves can only blame themselves, will never
cooperate to change anything, and thereby never DO anything outside the
control systems. (Call it 'spirituality' or 'atheism'.)


Forerunners: : Humanity must find it's natural way of living and loving,
of organizing together for mutual support, in the expression of real
human values. The idolatry of symbols and power must end!

As one of the greatest teachers in history stated; "Ye shall know them
by their love."


Some Other Thoughts:

If anything can be believed in, why believe in anything? Why hold on to
conceptual fantasies when we walk around in a world so wondrous and
beautiful that no amount of words, thoughts, or images can fully
describe even a tiny portion of it.


The observation that 'I think, therefore I am' which is the most basic
axiom of Western Civilization, is only a minor subset of the real most
basic observation of life, that is 'All that is, IS'. The FORMER merely
inflates the ego, declaring it supreme, and makes for concepts which
destroy or despoil the world, while the LATTER, as the most basic of
axioms, makes for a mind of inquiry, holding the ego secondary, and
which makes for a 'benchmark' of what works and what doesn't that allows
actions without destruction, true awareness of the worth of compassion,
and adaptation without despoliation.


To consider ecological and cultural sanity impractical is the most
extreme and subtle of insanities, yet it is the very basis of all
existing subcultures on this planet. It is why conditions get worse
despite all the efforts of groups and individuals who see the
destruction of the environment and the tragic unnecessary sacrifice of
human life and potential to poverty and ignorance.


Global social and environmental problems result not purely from
individual actions... Nor will the problems be solved by any individual
alone... The problems result from large scale individual actions within
the axiomatic confines of social convention. To solve this problem,
more and more people have to think 'outside the lines' of these social
axioms and algorithms and work together to change those axioms and
algorithms through group example. Luckily, it does not take a high
percentage of humanity to make a great difference, only a tiny fraction.
But it is significant that there is no way to cause change through
existing social outlets... they are designed to give the illusion of
being a means of change, and yet not effect or alter the ongoing
irrational processes of decision making whatsoever. Most of them do not
realize these limitations, and would deny the existence of any
limitations.


Evolution is continuing. To realize that evolution is not a process of
chance but rather the intelligent actions of a planetary ecoentity that
arose from biochemical and energetic processes inherent in Universe is
to suddenly see that all that is going on in this world comes from
ignorance of this fact. To know that conscious evolution proceeds from
a synergistic consciousness made up of all the conscious beings on this
planet, within a field generated by all Life on this planet, is to know
that change will proceed apace and towards Global human sanity. Knowing
this give great wisdom, and the loss of all fear, even of death, for
suddenly we know we are part of something greater, which values us and
which moves in our hearts and minds and in the hearts and minds of
Humanity. One with all life on the planet, that life being an
intelligent being, we are Evolution.


Egocentric 'spirituality' is just words. Saying 'God is love' or 'We
are One.' from an ego belief is bogus unless it is preceded by the
transformation of the mind through the understanding of the relationship
of the ego to Universe, the realization of the Real Mind, and most of
all, the compassionate actions such transformation generates. This
takes great effort, for to transcend the ego is a door into sanity, and
it is not done through exterior artifacts or exercises, nor through
thoughts and beliefs. Beliefs are irrelevant to the knowledge gained by
the experience of dropping the ego completely and accepting the
resulting perceptions. This is not a subtle phenomena, nor is it
reached through any gradual 'path', but is an overwhelming, yet
perfectly natural experience that lasts only moments and yet changes
everything. With that experience, all doubts are lost, all fear
disappears, especially of death, and all of Universe is valued to it's
true measure. It causes permanent change, and that change is reflected
in actions which benefit others profoundly.

This is not to say that compassion and love cannot be expressed by
anyone anywhere, for the basis of our lives are our Real Mind, not our
egos, and while beliefs are irrelevant to most actions taken by most
people, with the ego rationalizing each action and claiming it as it's
own, most of what goes on in the world is not sourced in the ego but in
the Real Mind. Without this larger interaction, insane control systems
would have killed off all life long ago. But despite their seeming total
ubiquitous nature, the control systems are still superficial, a thin
veneer over the actual dynamics of life, even human life. We but need
to realize that, and get rid of the destructive corrosion.


"Work" is not what we do when we go somewhere and spend our lives
following someone else's instructions doing activities that are far
below our potential and which either does no good or does damage to the
Planet. The Human Control system we are forced by violence to accept
and which limits our existence and actions has no relationship to what
is required to survive on this planet. There is something called 'right
livelihood' in Buddhism which really defines what true work is, and with
an understanding of environment thrown in, Right Livelihood should guide
all young people into work which will allow them to do real work in the
world, work worth doing. To do work worth doing is more fulfilling in
life, and better for all, than to do work which pays a lot of money, but
which traps your soul into an illusionary hell that winds down to
eventual planetary death.


To live in an intentional participatory community is to live a full
experience far exceeding most people's lives. The friendships, the
entertainment, even the work is not much like living in the divided
society most of us have experienced most of our lives. The feeling of
belonging causes a security not found outside such communities, and even
the problems are more interesting. I have lived in both dysfunctional
and extremely functional communities, and find that even a dysfunctional
communities are more interesting than living as a 'nuclear family' or
alone. Dysfunctional communities don't last long, but functional
communities tend to create lifelong friends. No individuality is lost,
although some bad habits may fade in importance, and so much is gained,
that, in my opinion, it is natural to join with others in community, and
forge a future together.

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AND IN RESPONSE TO ED ELKIN WHO WROTE - WHEN INTRODUCING ROAN'S NEWSLETTER TO HIS LIST:

"Note that the overall message is hopeful and positive, although it may not at
first seem so. In my initial comments back to Roan with whom I've exchanged ideas for well over a year, but never met in person, I wrote, in part,

"I'm glad that you end on a positive note..... and see a light at the end of
the tunnel.

My perception is that the "tunnel" isn't quite as black and full of demons
as you portray it and that it's even possible to enjoy the journey through.
Admittedly, billions of us on the planet suffer a living hell, but there are
enough of us awakening to begin the transformation process toward the light. Thanks for the stimulation of sharing your truth. For me, it is far more useful to make 'energetic progress in the good' than to rail against that which I oppose.... which only feeds its destructive energy by adding to the amount of negativity on the planet."

(end of quote from Ed Elkin)

ROAN HAD THIS COMMENT:

Ed, my friend,

I used to just think and talk purely positive viewpoints. Then one day I noticed that a large number of people I knew, who also just thought and talked positive stuff DID only negative stuff and either didn't realize it or always rationalized their actions through twisting their viewpoint to make it positive... Usually they would not think about what they actually did, and blinder their perceptions to see only what their egos wanted them to see, which allowed them to do negative or apathetic actions, for some reason they did not think about either, seeing it as 'normal' or 'practical'.

I realized that positive thinking was not enough. To understand the problem is
to overcome it. To understand the problem and communicate that understanding to
others is a very positive thing to do, because it helps them perceive it and then overcome it. And the solutions are never just in what we think, nor what we say, but in what we do also. Positive thoughts can be literally any thoughts, about anything, and actions can be negative even if the thoughts are positive. If ego belief is the only criteria, then anything goes and the world does not change for the better.

I am not putting negativity out into the world. I am putting positive stuff into
the world, because what I am putting out is a very large set of questions each
has to face when reading my posts. Even if they file away my posts in their
'crazy' or 'negative' folder, they will continue on in their lives, and Life
itself will keep giving them experiences which will make my filed words jump out
of the folder.

Then one day it will jump up in their laps and they will have to face the
transformation of their own minds. The world will then be different to them, and they will act upon that difference, and the planet will be that much closer to survivability and the love we know is it's rightful harmony. That transformation is not conceivable to the ego, but it is as real as anything that exists.

Egocentric spirituality is pretty much bogus because it will not accept
responsibility for what it does, only for what it thinks. It mistakes the Real
Mind with the ego, which is like mistaking a world for a tiny stone, in scale at
least. This is the essence of negativity, and is worse than cynical thought
because the actions resulting will be from apathy and rationalization. The cynic
at least does evil because he cannot see any alternative through his cynical
thought... the egocentric spiritualist can do evil while thinking it's good.
Wishful thinking is not necessarily 'positive'. To see Universe as it is, is to
know what to do, to act upon the knowledge, in physical as well as mental
action. It rarely has negative results, short term, and never in the long term.

Frankly, imho, egocentric spirituality is often pure fear and results in denial
no better than the German people's denial and fear as they saw Jews being carted
away in boxcars. More people are being killed right now than during those days,
if spread across the planet instead of concentrated, and apathy, rationalized in
a million conceptual ways, is still allowing that evil.

There is a difference between judgment and perception. To perceive evil is not
to condone it. Evil actions and words can be perceived, acted upon, and overcome.

Judgment is only of people, of them personally, and to judge a person can be to
amplify that evil they have done, or diminish it, according to what actions
(words are one kind of action) are taken after the judgment. THAT is when
non-judgement can have a real changing energy to it.

To perceive evil and not do something about it, magnifies that evil, and the
world's negativity is made greater. The newsletter was specifically positive,
even if it pointed out negative stuff, because that stuff will not change unless
folks know it exists, (can think of it in a new way so they look for the
possibility that it exists,) and effects them... if they do not know it exists
and effects them, they have no choice about it, because they do not know it
exists. As members of it, they will instead promote it, and not know they are
doing that either.

This is why saving the world is not easy -- grin

Thanks for passing the newsletter on. I respect your opinion, but felt it
necessary to clarify why my messages seem negative. The world is acting in
negative ways, and to change that requires more than just a positive attitude. I
have a positive attitude, actually an incredibly positive attitude, or I would
not have continued these efforts. I know we are far more than we think we are,
and know also that we are One in ways few have perceived. That most will
perceive this also is a given to me, although it takes my and others efforts to
do that change, and when it is a common perception, the world will change slowly
into Grace.

Love,
-Roan

Or as Roan wrote in a separate email to me: "Calling attention to a crack in a dam is not negative, and calling attention to existing conditions is not negative if they lead to people choosing to change them. Seeing through an illusion is the only way to dissolve it, but first it is required to know it is an illusion."

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Overpopulation

Casey J. Monahan wrote:

> Bucky also said that the conventional view of the 'problem' of
> overpopulation was a myth.

And it is. And Fuller also explained that in his books... The conventional view comes from the intense overpopulation of small areas through concentration of population for economic reasons, and the limiting of human habitation to just the surface of the planet. He pointed out that if all the people in Manhattan, New York, were suspended in the air in a one mile cube, each person could barely see the next in any direction.

A Skysphere City would provide a lot more living area for each person than a city of equivalent population and diameter could on the ground. Overpopulation is not the result of coming up with an arbitrary number of people and declaring that all the people beyond that is causing unacceptable damage to the ecosystem...

Overpopulation is a complex equation which must include overall density of the human population, the kind of environment in any given area, the level of technology which is in common use in the area, (Above the level of harmonic tribal technology, the lower the technology, the worse the ecological damage.), and a lot more.

If one says that any human or technological impact is too much, then they deny the reality that humans are also 100% part of the environment, having evolved from it, having applied knowledge learned from it, and being totally sustained by it. We have a place in it, including the technology we learn from it, but we have to find a harmonious niche in it also, or like all species which do not adapt, we will die.

And, of all people, Bucky Fuller made that the most clear to me.

A Defination

"A Nationalist is someone who is offended if someone
protests against the government, does not worship it's
symbols -like flags and such, does not respect it's
leader, and states any opinion which goes against
government policy or statements. When the country is
at war, a Nationalist thinks anyone who says or does
anything the government does not like should be
killed, jailed, beaten, and/or deported, period. To the
Nationalist, anyone who speaks out with a dissenting
opinion is a traitor.

A Patriot is someone who loves the people of the
country, who loves the liberty and freedom of the
country, and who will uphold the ideals of the
country by protesting against what they perceive to be
government misbehavior, mismanagement, or bad policy.
When the country is at war, a patriot who feels
the war is wrong, for whatever reason, considers it
even more important to speak up, demonstrate, and seek
to find consensus to stop the war. A Patriot may or
may not wave a flag or sing nationalist songs, but
they do not put them over the rights of the people.

Nationalists, like Nazis, Royalist, and Totalitarian
Communists, have always been the bane of freedom,
seeking from their cowardice to lock down all
freedom with an extreme set of rules which they alone
gladly obey, in lockstep fashion. In America, as the
Second Iraq War shows, Nationalists and Patriots
are deeply mixed, and the Right Wing Nationalists,
through their radio pundits, are again seeking to
destroy America through their twisted fear of
freedom and Liberty. Nationalists have never failed to
destroy the ideals and eventually the existence of
their countries through perpetual war and internal
oppression. For examples, look at Nazi Germany and
Stalinist Russia."

I posted this on a listserv long ago. It defined one of my most profound experiences
which had a lot to do with my opinion now.

> Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 03:57 AM
>
> After putting new toenail marks on my tonsils, I was hesitant to post to
> this list for a while, but...
>
> I realized that most of the information I was being given in school was
> bogus when I was ten years old.  I was at my grandmother's house high on
> a hill next to Fort Leavenworth and had just finished watching the last
> Howdy Doody Show, with the puppets and cast all bemoaning the demise of
> their employment.  For the first time I realized something could end,
> and having been raised in the military, I pushed at my imagination and
> saw a vision... I saw my grandmother's house in ruins, all the trees
> blasted apart, the houses only rubble around me, and off in the
> distance, a huge crater where the Fort had been.
>
> (My IQ was about 200, so I often had extremely complex imaginative
> visions at a very early age.)
>
> The next thought was, 'if the stuff I was being taught was valid, then
> the world would not be on the edge of nuclear war.'. From then on, I
> rejected almost everything I was taught as being just another pile of
> crap. I decided I would seek to understand Universe by sampling all
> kinds of 'knowledge' and subcultures, and their mental constructions, in
> order to find out if any of it could be true or if the subcultures had
> any kind of real knowledge.  Suffice it to say, I drove my teachers
> crazy and turned into one neurotic teenager. (I was one who got up and
> told the geometry teacher that the 'point' was a pile of chock, and if a
> point didn't exist, then how could we make infinite lines of them...)
>
> I started my search in the Army, becoming a Green Beret and even going
> to Officer Candidate School. After finding that the military was the
> source of most violence on the planet, and that the subculture, (as
> compared to most of the solders), was about as nasty as it could get,
> one extreme of human behavior, I dropped out of the Berets and gave up
> my commission. After I was assigned to an airborne division, the
> military ordered my division to Washington to kill protesters in a kind
> of Tien Min Square Massacre long before the Chinese slaughter, and after
> seeing through the propaganda and 'kill and not be held responsible' pep
> speeches by officers, I refused to go. I knew I was facing life in
> prison, but I would not go and kill people who were just exercising
> their rights under the Constitution... not to mention the pure
> immorality of slaughtering innocents.  Remember, the Army after W.W.I
> did kill the vets who protested in Washington, and I would be no part of
> another such killing. This protest, the largest that occurred, was not
> just students, but consisted of all walks of life and many many
> children.
>
> Then I saw something so amazing I still get chills from it. When I went
> back up to my bunk, in a room with 60 other bunks, I saw man after man
> come up without a weapon, which meant that they too had refused to
> participate.  An officer came up and threatened to read the Articles of
> Mutiny, but none moved.  I was called down and questioned, and I told
> them why I wouldn't do it, and then sent back up, and man after man was
> called down and returned, without weapons.
>
> Then the sergeants came up with our passes and leave papers, and it was
> if the whole thing had never occurred. I rarely speak of this, because
> it was like an unwritten, unspoken agreement that it not be told. I
> assumed the Commanding General had told the big brass that the Division
> was unreliable and the solders who would go with guns may well turn on
> their own officers rather than shoot the protesters. But I saw something
> so eventful that I think it is a bit of data you all need.
>
> The men who refused were of all conceptual bent and subcultures; drug
> addicts, acid heads, alcoholics, even 'kill them all and let God sort
> them out' right wing extremists.  Yet, with my own eyes, I saw them
> refuse to do that slaughter.  And beyond that, the same thing happened
> in every barracks throughout that Division... thousand upon thousands of
> men of different conceptual beliefs just refusing to go to Washington
> and kill people despite the possibility of going to prison for life.
>
> I wondered at this for many years, then I read that Nixon, that weekend,
> had ordered the nuclear bombing of Hanoi to end the war once and for
> all. The Soviets had stated that if we nuked Hanoi, they would attack us
> with everything they had, and the generals around Nixon had advised him
> that it was a bluff. KGB files from that time state that they were
> prepared to carry out their Thermonuclear response.  Nixon was in the
> White House because he felt it was the proper place to meet the press
> after a nuke attack on Hanoi, and found himself surrounded by protesters
> in the largest antiwar demonstration yet, and wanted us to come up and
> protect him, and end the war protests by a major show of force,
> (slaughter).
>
> When the Division refused, he realized that the protests might well
> become a mob and go through the fences and defenses of the White House
> like a lava flow through a wood home, so he canceled the Bomb and left
> town. If I, and all those many others, had gone to Washington, none of
> us would live right now to debate our concepts and efforts.  If you know
> the Army, you can understand what an outrageous event it was for so many
> to refuse an order.
>
> I realized that while humans think that our conceptual models are the
> highest form of action generation, that there is something else that
> moves and motivates people on really large scales.  Not just when there
> are slaughters, (look at the Nazis) or wars and such, but when the whole
> planet is threatened... by thermonuclear war, for instance.  I think it
> works in individuals also, and may cause whole populations to change the
> way they think, or at least act, over time.  I consider it to be the
> best evidence I have of the existence of a semi-sentient global field I
> call Gaia, a field that contains all our minds, a synergy of mind and
> biofield.
> Since, like Fuller, (but not from Fuller) I believe that intelligence is
> a phenomena of Universe existent throughout Universe, everywhere it can
> exist, (my definition of 'God'), I don't think some kind of
> 'supernatural' force affected us... I think it was supremely Natural and
> I think it is working in us all the time on some deep level. While my
> explanation of it is conjecture, the event did occur, and it was totally
> extraordinary.
>
> But because of this, I have been working on 'saving the planet' for
> thirty years. I work on it because I know it is required that someone
> work on it, but I also know it is doable. We are far more than we think
> we are, and we did not evolve to fail.
>
> My strategy is not to try to change minds, even by teaching them
> Synergetics, although that helps, but rather to change people's lives by
> altering the technology they have access to on the largest scales. Then
> they more readily change their minds, learn new and more reliable
> paradigms, to fit the new technology they personally use.  I think
> computers are showing this every day, as many people who said, "I don't
> need no damn computer" are busy over keyboards all over the world.
> --
> Peace and Good Health
>
> -Roan

Back in 1977, I went to the library in San Diego one day and found a book on solar cells that described a multi-layer, multi-frequency solar cell that claimed a 60% efficiency for power production. I never heard anything about it until very recently on the Discovery Channel, where they had a segment on those cells. They were all that the book claimed about them, but said that they were too costly to produce to be economically viable.

(Going past my opinions on the destructive power of economics,) I think that economy of scale can make almost any demanded technology economically viable. It's all about investment in initial manufacturing technology and then the production of the product at a high enough rate to bring the price down to a reasonable level. This is beginning to show up in solar farm production with european corporations now creating that exact process bringing the solar farm costs down by leaps and bounds. (also featured in that same solar power show on Discovery.)

The same 'economic' problem exists for the discovery of solar paint a few years ago and applies to the conventional production of 30% efficient solar cells.

Entrenched oil interests are the only thing which are holding back solar and other alternative systems being installed, period.

An 'economic' pundit awhile ago stated on a TV interview that if all those who really wanted solar power and other alternatives would put their money where their interests lay, we could ween off oil in less than twenty years.

I agree. Expecting the oil soaked government to put up the money is not productive. I think the people who have money beyond survival needs should invest in their children's overall future by investing it in alternative power sources. Otherwise the 'economic' system will continue to up the prices on such interests as college costs and cost of living until the common people cannot survive beyond survival living and their children will lose out far more than they would otherwise.

Political action is a secondary force in human affairs. Primary is cooperation in producing a better future for all, on a mass scale. That sidesteps the government's ability to 'bind the mouths of those who tread the grain'. Both literally and figuratively.

Gaia's Superconscious: "Gaia's Superconscious "

Does your mind accept the ideas in this article?
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nycons064501480nov06,0,3646064.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

For those who cannot get there by clicking on the above URL, here is the article: (Comments below the insert)
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CONSPIRACY THEORIES
The truth is out there - maybe
BY MARY VOBORILSTAFF WRITER
November 6, 2005

Sept. 11 conspiracy theories have edged into the mainstream.

In September, Fire Department chaplain candidate Imam Intikab Habib questioned whether Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida were responsible for the attacks, then quickly withdrew from the job. A short time later came a two-day conference in New York City that was built around the charge that "controlled demolition" brought down the World Trade Center.

Conspiracy books proliferate, and the Internet is such a cyber-trove of 9/11 arcana - Google the term "9/11 conspiracy," and 5.4 million entries turn up - that one site includes a primer, "Navigation for 9/11 Newbies."

As a cultural phenomenon, though, it's all been seen before: This is a conspiracy nation, and it has been almost since its founding. Those who study conspiracy rhetoric say beliefs in various 9/11 cabals are entirely predictable, that conspiracy narratives, ranging from the thoughtful and plausible to the fringy and fanciful, always have been threaded throughout American culture. (In late 2003, the 925-page "Conspiracy Theories in American History: An Encyclopedia" was published.)

Sense of comfort

A recurring trend, conspiracy theories tend to emerge after major national events as a means of making sense of the senseless.

"The most ambitious conspiracy theories are, in a way, oddly comforting to the people who hold them," said Michael Barkun, a professor of political science at Syracuse University and the author of "A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America," published in 2003.

Historically, Barkun said, conspiracy theories share "a number of related characteristics: that nothing happens by accident, that nothing is as it seems, that everything is connected. Conspiracy theorists have a view of the world in which there is no coincidence - nothing happens because of human stupidity or randomness. Somehow, everything is part of a pattern."

And, said Mark Fenster, a University of Florida assistant law professor whose book "Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture" was published in 1999, "The greater the trauma, the more the desire to have some sort of rational explanation for it ... a desire to have things be explicable in a cause-and-effect framework."

When an official account finally does emerge, added Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Political Research Associates, an independent nonprofit based in Somerville, Mass., "there often aren't answers to all the questions. In any investigation, many paths lead nowhere," leaving some disgruntled, angst-ridden and suspicious.

Conspiracy theorists then "turn to the only explanation that's left, which discards randomness," said Berlet, who has studied conspiracy movements. "They develop a very comforting and simple theory that ultimately a handful of really bad people did it."

The way some people connect the dots, 9/11 was the work of the U.S. military; the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were wired with explosives and deliberately blown up; a satellite-guided missile, not a hijacked jet, plowed into the Pentagon; the jet that crashed in a Pennsylvania field actually was shot down by Sidewinder missiles.

Some of those who promulgate conspiracy theories are angry and powerless, Berlet said, and to those susceptible to conspiracy theories, "they become a hero because they are sounding the alarms."

Before the Internet, alarms were sounded by word of mouth or by publications that rarely merited serious note in the mainstream media. The blogosphere changed that, with everyone now his or her own desktop publisher. Anyone with low-grade fears or suspicions can find kindred spirits almost instantly.

Seeds of fear

Some conspiracy theories spring up as an overreaction to "the fear and the loathing that occurs when there is destruction or damage," said Dr. Marc Siegel, who teaches at New York University Medical Center and whose latest book is "False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear."

But a contributing factor, he said, is that "the United States government and others are not inspiring confidence. You almost get a choice: You either inspire people through positive emotion or through negative emotion.

"Right now, the climate is fear. If the government is scaring people all the time, it's only about three steps away from that to distrust the government, too, and say, 'What did they do? Are they behind it?'"

"Fear easily turns to paranoia when there is a climate of distrust that the government is participating in, when you cannot trust your information sources," Siegel said.
That in turn spawns conspiracy theories, which columnist Christopher Hitchens calls "the white noise which moves in to fill the vacuity of the official version."

For all the transfiguring awfulness of 9/11, subsequent conspiracies have not overtaken the public imagination the way the Kennedy assassination did in 1963, a skepticism that persists to this day.

Conspiracy has been a recurring topic in political discourse since ancient times, though the most fertile ground has been that of American history, according to Michael William Pfau, whose book "The Political Style of Conspiracy: Chase, Sumner and Lincoln," is to be published this month.

In the 1850s, for example, the North and the South used conspiracy theories to discredit each other. Southerners feared that Northerners conspired to create slave revolts because the North sought to destroy the institution of slavery. Northerners believed that Southerners were determined to spread slavery throughout the Western states. The Republican party, Pfau says, rose to power in 1860 partly through the use of such rhetoric.
Kernels of truth

Florida's Fenster noted in a telephone interview that to label something a conspiracy theory "is an act of political rhetoric. It's an act of de-legitimization of something." And some of those who study so-called "conspiracy narratives" say it's a mistake to automatically dismiss or marginalize them, because sometimes they hint at a larger truth.

Or they are exactly on target.

In the 1960s, some warned of FBI surveillance of dissidents and infiltration of anti-war and countercultural groups, and they were disdained as paranoid. That very activity, of course, was a staple of the J. Edgar Hoover era, as were Cold War claims that the civil rights, voting rights and other progressive movements were "communist conspiracies."

Fears that the government deliberately spread AIDS and recreational drugs in inner cities may strain credulity, but, in the infamous Tuskegee syphilis program, the U.S. Public Health Service did experiment on 399 black men, a program that ended only in 1972.

Supposedly complicit in the 9/11 cover-ups is the national media cartel - which leads Berlet, of Political Research Associates, to wonder, "How could there be a conspiracy involving the military, the executive branch, Congress and the media in which somebody didn't rat it out and get a Pulitzer Prize?" He adds, "It's very difficult to maintain conspiracies over any length of time with a large number of people. Inevitably, someone rats it out. Or someone gets arrested and turns."
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My comments:

Since the middle ages, governments have used the 'purloined letter' method of de-
legitimization of leaked information, 'hiding it in plain sight'.

When something is leaked or is deduced which is true, the government will make ten thousand slightly different stories which makes the acceptance of any true story very unlikely, mainly because who can figure out which is true and the rest false? Most people, faced with all the slightly different versions, will simply opt out of even checking out any of them, becoming blind followers of the government's version.

Also, the conditioning of the population to the acceptance of those with letters after their names, either political, religious, or academic, allows the government or the terrorists, (especially if they are the same people) to simply put something horrific but true to rest in the popular mind by having a 'accredited authority' come forth and pronounce this one true and that one false. In our culture, it works amazingly well.

As to the idea that someone 'in the know' can come forward and win awards by blowing the lie out of the water and into popular knowledge, it seldom happens because of the 'wipe from history' threat maintained by most terrorists, government or freelance.

If someone talks, tells the truth, they are simply killed, their families are killed, and in the 3rd world, sometimes their entire village was killed, wiping them from existence totally, or as totally as possible.

Winning awards, getting into the public eye, ends quickly when the award winner is killed 'robbing a store' and their family dies in some 'freak but common accident'. This tends to chill anyone else who hears of the events and knows anything.

A myth, you say?

It's called a 'redundant deterrent motivator'.

There are other strategies used to blind the minds of those who seek out what really happened.

The American government has a policy of 'no paper trail' since the viet nam war, and that has gotten easier since everything has gone computerized.

The science of measuring people's personalities and finding those who will do what they are told and not talk about it has jumped by leaps and bounds over the last few decades.

Also, 'accidents' and 'random murders' are really well scripted now. Anyone who has any real proof of government murder finds themselves living the movie 'run from the authorities' scenario, but unlike the movies, they don't survive.

I've often wondered what was going on when the Simson trial was blocking out all other news a decade or so ago, and many other events which blanked out all other news.

Nuff said!

Activism

"So often activism is based on what we are against, what we don't like, what we don't want. And yet we manifest what we focus on. And so we are manifesting yet ever more of what we don't want, what we don't like, what we want to change."

"So for me, activism is about a spiritual practice as a way of life. And I realized I didn't climb the tree because I was angry at the corporations and the government; I climbed the tree because when I fell in love with the redwoods, I fell in love with the world. So it is my feeling of 'connection' that drives me, instead of my anger and feelings of being disconnected."

-Julia Butterfly Hill

"Stay and finish the job or there will be hell to pay. The bad guys will win then."

"If we don't support the war, then we are not supporting the troops!"

"If we educate the people, they will demand withdrawal from the war."

"If we demonstrate and get media attention, people will realize many don't want our sons and daughters killed in a useless war created for a president's ego and personal wealth."

I heard all these ideas and arguments back in the Viet Nam era, and eventually we got out and the'bad guys' won back their country. It was horrible, but no more horrible than the war itself, and I think that applies to Iraq also. The aftermath of the VN war was millions sick and dying from the after effects of Agent Orange, land mines, and other horrific nastiness used during the war.

The longer we are there, the more poisoned and devastated the countryside will become for generations afterwards, if only from the spent Uranium bullets used there. We must work to get those poor enslaved men and women out of that country and back home, for everyone's sake.

The real problem is the Fascist in government. With the bankruptcy, credit card, and vet degrading bills passed by the Fascists, and their control of the media, now they are going after the universities and colleges, with intent upon decreeing the criteria that can be taught in those schools.

Does this remind anyone of what happened in Germany as Hitler came to power? The Dominionist Fascist agenda is apparently much like the NAZI one, and being implemented as we speak. How do we take back America from well entrenched Fascists?

Voting doesn't do it... they control the process as is apparent after the two coups they have pulled off already. Writing congressmen doesn't do it when the left is scared to death of ending up 'disappeared' or worse, their family as hostages for their behavior, (why else are they so quiet and submissive?), and writing to right wingers might well get you on some list of 'malcontents' or 'liberals'.

Signing petitions is a really dumb thing to do in these times. Ready made lists of 'political traitors who don't support Der Leader'...

It can't be taken back violently unless the military sides with the people, which is unlikely as the German Army siding with the anti-Hitler people in Germany,and frankly, all the guns in all the civilian basements are really just a great way to become a military target. The technology of war and 'intelligence' is too developed to fight a revolution. There's no chance of winning. Everything has changed to make revolution in America impossible.

Now we have to find some peaceful way of raising consciousness or sidestepping the issue with the development of new technologies which short circuit the strategies of the Fascists. This is not some neoNazi skinhead group who want to create a new Nazi America... this is a huge group of religious fascists who have more control, power, and resources than any political or religious group in the history of Humanity. Opinion polls are meaningless in the face of such power.

But we could pool our brains and educations and create technology which could indirectly sidestep the old ways of thinking these Dominionist fascists use in their strategy.

An example from India... change the length of a broom handle and increase the time a person can live without back pain, which changes the way they interact with the younger generations, which helps spread wisdom and perspective through the youth. I'm not suggesting that a broom handle is the answer, but there must be technology not thought of which would change everything in ways that brings freedom despite the best efforts of those who are set on taking it away in the name of their illusionary 'God'.

Lest you think I am speaking of the impossible, it was 'impossible' at the beginning of my lifetime to speak around the world on tiny threads of glass and go to the moon and talk to someone on a phone in a car and half a million other technologies which now shape our world.

If not you, who?You got something better to do with your lifetime of experience and wisdom than save the planet?

End of rant.

"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all hislaws." : John Adams

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War: first, one hopes to win; then one expects the enemy to lose; then, one is satisfied that he too is suffering; in the end, one is surprised that everyone has lost. : Karl Kraus (1874–1936)

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"It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificually induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear." : General Douglas MacArthur, Speech, May 15, 1951

From the Onion http://www.theonion.com/

GOD ANGRILY CLARIFIES "DON'T KILL" RULE

NEW YORK — Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance against humans killing each other Monday.

"Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so for the record, here it is again," said the Lord, His divine face betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of the fallen Twin Towers. "Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be able to understand."

Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."

"I don't care how holy somebody claims to be," God said. "If a person tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it? I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is, here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's, ever again."

The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire potential ramifications around the globe.

"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"

"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"

Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.

"To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay?" God said. "So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly, much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal bullshit. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall."

God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as "wonderful, pious people," calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks rare exceptions.

"This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with good reason," God said. "There's no such thing as a holy war, only unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two bigots on The 700 Club."

Continued God, "Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful, Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But, no, some assholes have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000 years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain."

God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all world religions.

"I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same mistake since the dawn of time," God said. "The Muslims massacre the Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man. And the Christians? You people believe in a Messiah who says, 'Turn the other cheek,' but you've been killing everybody you can get your hands on since the Crusades."

Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."

"Why would you think I'd want anything else? Humans don't need religion or God as an excuse to kill each other—you've been doing that without any help from Me since you were freaking apes!" God said. "The whole point of believing in God is to have a higher standard of behavior. How obvious can you get?"

"I'm talking to all of you, here!" continued God, His voice rising to a shout. "Do you hear Me? I don't want you to kill anybody. I'm against it, across the board. How many times do I have to say it? Don't kill each other anymore—ever! I'm fucking serious!"

Upon completing His outburst, God fell silent, standing quietly at the podium for several moments. Then, witnesses reported, God's shoulders began to shake, and He wept.

Subject: Letter from a veteran

Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:01:27 -0500

Folks,

For those who believe that public opposition to the war at home undermines the morale of troops in combat, here is a point of view from someone who knows what he is talking about. For the record, many I served with in Viet Nam were angry about the protests in the US (in no small part because we were demonized in the process), but they were not demoralized by it. They, like those of us who thought as the writer of this letter below does, were demoralized by incompetent, careerist leaders, a lack of rational strategy and politicians who play the game for their benefit with our lives. THAT was demoralizing.

Please pass this along, particularly to those who, without benefit of war time experience, claim that protesting the war demoralizes the troops.

Honor the warrior, not the war

Bring our troops home, now

Take care of them we they get home

Dave Collins

Austin contact, Viet Nam Veterans Against the War
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http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2005/08/29/opinion/ltr_neely_050829.txt

Support our troops by keeping them out of war

I am a retired Army captain. I fought in Vietnam with the 196th LightInfantry Brigade. In Vietnam, I walked the jungle carrying an M-16. I know about anti-war protest, as I grew up in California during the 1960s.

Some people think that because someone does not support the war, that they do not support our troops. That is just not reality. There might be some soldiers who believe that protest equals lack of support, but the vast majority that I served with knew protesters were trying to end the madness.

Yes, we went over there, and yes, we fought the war, but almost none of us wanted to be there. But we stayed there and we fought, because that is what soldiers do.

Thank God that while we were there doing that, some brave people back here had the courage to stand up to say that war was wrong.

Thank God they were brave enough to act on their convictions and stand upto a government that had lied to us.
I applaud you! Maybe you could have treated me a little better when I got back, but that's another letter.

However, I do find incredibly offensive those who have never fought a war, never fired a shot at another human being, never been shot at or hunted, or never had to listen as a good friend screams in agony, sending or supporting the sending of our brave soldiers to war for lies.

Look at the facts. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

There were no connections with the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

There were no reasons to go to war. You should be outraged.

You want to support our troops?

Keep them out of war and get rid of those who would put them in harm's way, unless absolutely necessary.

Maybe we can't leave Iraq immediately because of the mess we created, but we should get rid of those responsible for the current situation.

God bless our troops. I do not support the war, but I do support you.

George Neely

Lodi
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I'm writing and posting this because I think Evil Emperor Bush is going to make it illegal to post anything on the Internet that criticizes or opposes him or his policies.

Let me say that again:

I'm writing and posting this because I think Evil Emperor Bush is going to make it illegal to post anything on the Internet,(and anywhere else,) that criticizes or opposes him or his policies!

I keep hearing these people who consider themselves "Conservative Patriots" saying that protestors are like noisy teens, ...or 'just' hippies, ...or inappropriate, ...or even TRAITORS! ...by not mindlessly supporting the President just because he is President and therefore must be right and sane and good.

(Aren't they thinking that 'God is on Our Side' and therefore Bush must be God's choice to lead us?)

'Supporting the troops' is somehow the reason for what they are saying.

Supporting the troops IS TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE TROOPS, and when a traitor has taken over America with a coup and seems bent on creating a Holy American Fascist Empire over the bloody bodies of America's sons and daughters, THEN TO OPPOSE HIM IS SUPPORTING THE TROOPS, because they cannot do much against him, can they? And it is certainly not 'supporting them' if you support an evil fascist war and they come home in boxes, is it?

I think those who support Bush while thinking they are supporting the troops are not much different than those who are supporting the terrorists who fight against America. I think both are supporting terriorism and NOT supporting the troops, on either side.

I think it is traitorous to quietly sit back and let a tyrant take over your country. Protest IS the proper patriotic response to tyranny. I think it is not patriotic to support a tyrant's war killing your own citizens.

The soldiers who go believe in their Country, in defending their homes, and believe in what they are told, (---I certainly did during Viet Nam---) but once they find out what is going down, they should do what they can to stop the war. Putting your life on the line for America sometimes means putting your life on the line against tyrants when they have taken over America.

And no, I'm not talking about a civil war or revolution or anything like that. During Viet Nam, many soldiers didn't fight the war once they found out they were being sacrificed for the egos of old men making fortunes off their wounds and deaths, they simply stopped fighting instead. It is one thing to defend America and quite another to die for an insane Fascist President and his evil or duped cronies, who are making fortunes off the death of, and murder done, by patriotic soldiers.

(Soldiers are not mindless organic killing machines who have to do what they are told regardless of how evil the orders are or why they are given. Every soldier knows he is responsible for what he does regardless of his orders. God does not abolish his responsibility for what he does.)

What do you do when YOUR country is taken over by a bunch of cutthroat mobsters?

I think it is horribly traitorous to support a tyrant who has used the fear of a terrorist act to strip every American of every right in the Constitution of the United States! The vow every soldier takes is, or at least was, to defend the Constitution, not the tyrant just because he has manipulated himself into power... AND sometimes that means doing the unthinkable, whatever that might be. Bush is destroying America more than any terrorist ever had or could, and frankly, he is gaining on Hitler and Pol Pot in his infamy.

Republicans are supposed to be for the rights of the individual, for smaller government and less centralized government control of people's lives, for fiscal responsibility, for security... but Bush is tearing the republican goals to shreds, using their blind patriotism against them and against every American! He has taken away every right in the Constitution, swollen the federal government to a size never before seen, centralized power to such a degree the media is scared to tell the truth about it, written himself and his cronies a blank check which is bankrupting everyone in the country, and taken away all security from everyone.

There is so much that Bush the traitor has done that his supporters have to ignore, I think it puts many of them in the category of 'good Germans' during the rise of Hitler. Do I think he would, or will, set up concentration camps and kill people in mass? Ever see what a BunkerBuster bomb does to the people killed by it? There is little difference.

I really don't think anything is beyond his and his employers, whoever they are, who bought him his position, including killing millions of Americans as well as making America into a 3rd world country. He got in by a coup, kept it by intimidating his opponents with bought and paid for political appointees, and now he is killing the people. How much more do people need to see to understand what he is?

And I'm not predicting anything... all this is already done, and will America accept it? Remember, every German SS soldier's belt buckle had "God's on our side" on it. The Germans accepted it. And they learned the hard way the cost of freedom.